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wolfgang
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 12:23 pm Reply with quote
Joined: 21 Dec 2003 Posts: 342 Location: Dragsville, Alberta, Canada
I am putting out a series of short-run 7 inches...and I'm going to be screeening the sleeves myself. These are gonna be 4 colors on card stock. I have very limited experience with silk-screening...doing one color T-shirts in my bedroom in high school is about it...but I'm gonna go for it anyway. Anyway, what I need to know is where to start...I'm trying to keep costs down, so I'm gonna cut as many corners as possible. I need as much advice as possible on what I need to start, material suggestions, and how I should proceed.

I'll post the artwok when I get home from work.
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skinny
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 3:01 pm Reply with quote
Joined: 12 Sep 2004 Posts: 2706
Man, thats dead easy.
Just get all the speedball stuff. Its great for stuff like that. Go to your arts and crafts store.
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newrepublicsteve
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 6:20 pm Reply with quote
Joined: 13 Nov 2004 Posts: 674 Location: Birmingham
go here
http://www.gigposters.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=17

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Fool's Gold
Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 1:35 pm Reply with quote
Joined: 10 Mar 2005 Posts: 284 Location: Ontario Canada
get a bunch of 100 LB or heavier stock. It'll run around $960 a 1000 sheets or so depending on what you get (contact Domtar, they are a canadian paper maker)

take the sheets to an offset printer and get them to cut them pages down to about 4" per side bigger then you need (this extra is for finger prints, registration marks, colour bars and crop marks.

print all the sheets, lightest colour to darkest.

let dry for a day or so and flatten them. Take them back to the offset printer to get trimmed (hope to hell they don't mess up the cuts)

then either get them creased, or fold them yourself. If you fold them yourself take a note as to the direction of the grain of the paper, folding with or against the grain will give different results if you don't get the paper creased or scored.

230-270 MESH on a 30"x40" frame (you are gonna need lots of room to slosh that waterbased ink around)

Speedball works, so does TW or Display

vacuum table and counterweight are necessary.

diazo emulsion is key for a project like this.

Since you don't do this all the time, you are gonna need some decent sized traps and chokes on your separations so they all line up under the key line.

it'll be fun, but in no way cheaper then sending it out to be offset printed, or sent to someone that does it all the time; in case you were wondering about costs.

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wolfgang
Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 1:48 pm Reply with quote
Joined: 21 Dec 2003 Posts: 342 Location: Dragsville, Alberta, Canada
These are really shortrun 7"'s...like 50 of each one. So screening them will probably be waaay cheaper than offset printing. I think I'll cut them myself too...as there are so few.

Why do I need such a huge screen? The image is only about 7" by 14"???
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Fool's Gold
Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 7:20 pm Reply with quote
Joined: 10 Mar 2005 Posts: 284 Location: Ontario Canada
for such a short run a small screen will be fine. I have always found with smaller screens I am way, way, way more messy and get ink all over the screen, frame, squeegee and myself, but my shop prints ant pretty high speeds and with water based the ink just starts a flying, especially when the printer is about 4 or so beers into the run.

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emoxfag
Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 7:37 pm Reply with quote
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Fool's Gold wrote:
get a bunch of 100 LB or heavier stock. It'll run around $960 a 1000 sheets or so depending on what you get (contact Domtar, they are a canadian paper maker)

take the sheets to an offset printer and get them to cut them pages down to about 4" per side bigger then you need (this extra is for finger prints, registration marks, colour bars and crop marks.

print all the sheets, lightest colour to darkest.

let dry for a day or so and flatten them. Take them back to the offset printer to get trimmed (hope to hell they don't mess up the cuts)

then either get them creased, or fold them yourself. If you fold them yourself take a note as to the direction of the grain of the paper, folding with or against the grain will give different results if you don't get the paper creased or scored.

230-270 MESH on a 30"x40" frame (you are gonna need lots of room to slosh that waterbased ink around)

Speedball works, so does TW or Display

vacuum table and counterweight are necessary.

diazo emulsion is key for a project like this.

Since you don't do this all the time, you are gonna need some decent sized traps and chokes on your separations so they all line up under the key line.

it'll be fun, but in no way cheaper then sending it out to be offset printed, or sent to someone that does it all the time; in case you were wondering about costs.


doesn't make alot of sense for a newbie huh?

here is an excellent tutorial for printing posters diy. 7 inch covers are pretty much the same
http://www.fecalface.com/SF/index.php...118&Itemid=52
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Fool's Gold
Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 11:31 am Reply with quote
Joined: 10 Mar 2005 Posts: 284 Location: Ontario Canada
but neither does taking on a job using a printing technique that you aren't well versed in. I was just suggesting how I would setup a job like that, using the right tools and so forth.

I wonder how this all went.

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modskin
Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 8:44 am Reply with quote
Joined: 29 Mar 2003 Posts: 2696 Location: Atlanta, GA
I handprint a lot of posters, so it's pretty much the same deal..

I use a 30"x40" screen with 220 mesh and Speedball waterbased ink.

Make sure the stock is heavy enough to resist rippling. That's the biggest hassle when printing with waterbased ink.

I don't use a vacuum table, but rather a registration bar made of a thin strip of metal with 2 plastic pegs that fit through it. I punch the stock to the width of the pegs, and then tape the bar to the printing table to set the registration.

After the printing is done, I just trim off the registration punch holes. Just remember to give yourself enough margin to do this.

I printed 250 of these posters using this method:


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mosu101
Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 9:47 am Reply with quote
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dude that flyer is such a motor head rip off

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