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Cappy |
Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 2:25 pm |
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slob-air wrote: I will not not buy any skateboard product made in China.
Me too, but it doesnt matter how much money we spend on better stuff, it will have no influence on the market.
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Yes, it is very hard for Indy (San Francisco) and Tracker (Oceanside) to use 8mm axles. It costs a hell of a lot more as axle stock does not come in 8mm sizes�it has to be ground down from 10mm.
Hm, this can be done today with CNC Machines. Automatically with not much costs, they produce a lot of trucks.
I cant agree to that.
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Companies become trapped in their pricing in this industry.
Thats what i mean. In case of Indy, with their new kingpins, for me thats
"buy only our stuff - cause other stuff wouldnt fit anyway".
Crazy marketing...
For the wheels, like the trucks this can be done. But you are probably right,
aslong they dont pay the workers correct and only put more money in advertising it will not happen.
But a men still can dream about it, that maybe someday...
skinny wrote:
Mario you should try the ceramics from Ron. Maybe I can talk him out of a set at cost or something. It is a very noticeable difference.
Thx Milt, but Rons steel bearings already are running in my boards.
The streets and concrete park is very rough and dirty, so i think steels are better.
I dont often ride wooden ramps (most in the winter), but maybe i will look for a cruiser
and test the ceramics someday.
edit: here is a quick shitty pic, left is a spacer that you can buy here-right are my own mades.
the left one isnt even 10mm or 400� in length and the drilling isnt in the center or fits the size of the inner bearing,
such a poor work even on the smallest parts!
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slob-air |
Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 2:38 pm |
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Cappy wrote:
slob-air wrote:
Yes, it is very hard for Indy (San Francisco) and Tracker (Oceanside) to use 8mm axles. It costs a hell of a lot more as axle stock does not come in 8mm sizes�it has to be ground down from 10mm.
Hm, this can be done today with CNC Machines. Automatically with not much costs, they produce a lot of trucks.
I cant agree to that.
Sorry, leasing CNC time is exorbinate and you're already paying 1/3 more in cost for the 10mm axle stock. You could buy a CNC machine, but they are extremely expensive and are very high maitenence�that's why Radical trucks cost 800% more than a sand casted truck. |
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 2:59 pm |
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But i think Indy/tracker sell a few more trucks as radical? Dont you think at a certain
level the balance of production cost/selling would be ok?
I think it would be.
Dont know how much the costs are in the USA, in Germany even small companys work with cnc
and we are some of the expensive producing countrys. (due to quality ) |
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 3:52 pm |
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Cappy wrote: But i think Indy/tracker sell a few more trucks as radical? Dont you think at a certain
level the balance of production cost/selling would be ok?
I think it would be.
Dont know how much the costs are in the USA, in Germany even small companys work with cnc
and we are some of the expensive producing countrys. (due to quality )
That's right, because Radikal are 800% higher in price.
Do you think a majority of skaters would pay, say, $80 for an Indy when they've been paying $25?
Skateboard trucks haven't really gone up in price in the last 15 years. There's a reason for that. Manufacturers find it too much a gamble�so they cut costs at every opportunity rather than building a better truck and charging more. |
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 4:28 pm |
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I would say Indy/tracker would be around 30~35$, its a huge maket that they serve.
When i see what a run on Rons "fine-tuned" trucks is, i think skaters would pay a little more.
But its all rhetoric...
slob-air wrote: �so they cut costs at every opportunity rather than building a better truck and charging more.
+ instead working on quality put the money in advertising and market research.
After that you have painted trucks - great |
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 5:57 pm |
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I think a lot of skaters would buy precision trucks for $80�and the more that buy them and ride them will start a wave of demand, just as Ron's bearings have.
However, companies like Indy will never take that risk. |
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BillyBonebrake |
Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 8:13 pm |
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if you ride bones wheels (the spfs are great!) and use bones bearing spacers, and in my case rons ceramics....They line up great and the wheels roll true.
Amen, Skinny. I'm enjoying the same setup and its silly fast. Silly I tell ya. |
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 10:27 pm |
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They did it then, why not now? Grapevine says Z-rollers are coming back as LTDedition too -- 8mm axles there for sure.
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:06 pm |
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PlayGod wrote: They did it then, why not now?
Energy wasn't around long, right? Been a long, long time since I rode a set�as I recall they didn't turn well. Actually the freestyle truck turned better than the bowl truck.
Re-issueing the Z-Roller? Hmmm, it didn't sell well the first time around either. |
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Rob_B |
Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 6:20 am |
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Slob, I took your challenge and came up with four people who used those bearings, I'm not a bearing nut since I already use Rons
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