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| Twisted |
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| newrepublicsteve |
| Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 4:21 pm |
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it's more then what I started with but the rule of thumb is you get what you pay for...
curing with a heat gun sucks....
plan on it taking about 2-3 minutes per shirt to print and cure
and plan on scourching quite a few shirts till you get your time temp and distance right to get them cured....
you can use the mone yyou make from this to buy a flash unit in a few weeks
then get a better press
then a conveyor drier
it's a place to start and learn |
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| Twisted |
| Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 4:57 pm |
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| What kind of press should I get? Do you think this one Is not good to start for a 1 color? |
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| Twisted |
| Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 4:58 pm |
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| is there a differance between a flash dryer and a convayer dryer? |
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| ThrashCan |
| Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 6:15 pm |
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A flash dryer is pretty small and uses infrared or something to cure. Its used to "flash dry" in between colors and can also be used to fully cure. If you see some smoke coming from the ink that shit is done. PULL OUT! PULL OUT!
A conveyer dryer is pretty big and cant be used between prints because you loose your registration by taking the shirt off the pallet. After all the colors have been printed then people run the shirt through the conveyer dryer for the final cure to make sure everything is cooked nicely.
I ordered the 4 color kit from that site...wasnt all it was CRACKED up to be. The pallet was cracked and the clamps that hold the screen suck my balls. The dont have those little rockers on them.
I think you would be better off composing a list of things you need like chemicals and squeegies and buying them all seperatly from a good cheap source....and buy a nice little press. If you're new to the world of screen printing just get a little speedball kit to learn how things work then you can invest in some better shit.
Hope I helped I'm an amature so I might not know what I'm talkin about. |
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| badgoldfish |
| Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 8:03 pm |
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| this is my 2 cents, check out screenprinters.net , thats where i got my start, scott and his wife wrote this book called oddly enough "how to print t-shirts for fun and profit, it's a great starter book, and gets updated all the time, it has plans to build your own 4 color press for like 150.00, and has a whole section on suppliers and lots of info in general that you're gonna need to know. it is a excellent investment well worth the 40.00 it costs, it will save you alot of time and headaches. they also have a great forum on the website. that's my suggestions-hope it helps--ryan |
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| skinny |
| Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 9:18 pm |
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| 269.00 could buy an assload of screens. |
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| Twisted |
| Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 4:41 am |
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Ok, now I don't know what the hell to do. I am glad you guys are helping me out thats forsure. I have to be straight with everyone, I tried silk screening before but failed terribly. It was more that I got frustrated and quit (this was before I exercised any patience and was an extreme hothead, I have calmed down quite a bit now since my son was born). When i first tried this about 6 years ago I rented this real outdated movie from the Library on screen printing and all the directions were so old school not to mention I went the cheapest route possible. After watching that video I picked up that book "Printing for Fun and profit" and I bought a 1 color press from Dick Blick along with the regular accessories and actually used that emulsion paper by ulano for making the screen.
I started off by printing white Union Ink on Black shirts without even flashing, see this old video I was refrencing from (think it was dated 1981) showed them printing black ink on white shirts and absolutely no curing what so ever so i had no clue, I just thought printing white and black would be the same way. Then when I saw the Images on the few shirts I printed to look very fuzzy I was super pissed and then the clean up was even worse! I could not beleive how hard it was to get the Ink off the screen (just using paint thinner I beleive). So my first experience with printing was bad from the get go.
Now that I have found these forums I feel that I understand things alot more. I now know that i have to ink, flash, ink for black shirts and although I won't be able to afford the flash unit right off the bat I can use the heat gun for a while and I also know what to use now to clean the screens properly amongst the other small things. I just want to make sure to get the right equipment to start so I don't give it up so fast next time. I will also be real honest i am not any kind of craftsman so don't expect me to build anything and I am of course working with a tight budget. So basically I just need advice on a cheap press (1 color to start) and all the odds and ends you think i will need. I know that i should go with the aluminum screens and plasitol or union inks but all the other odds and ends is what I would like you guys to help me with. Maybe a list or something of the good stuff, I rather buy the better emulsion,screen cleaner, etc. to start off then buying the cheap shit and getting off on the wrong foot. Well any help Is appreciated and I thank everyone for the help so far. |
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| skinny |
| Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 11:21 am |
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Call:
Creative screen technologies, ask about jiffy hinges.
For inks and supplies call Midwest, ask about Ulano QX-1.
As for t-shirt inks, you might consider the soy/ citrus setup. There are a couple of suppliers out there for this stuff.
Look into NAZDAR the screen wash, and 9500 series inks. There are many options.
I suggest that you start with aluminum frames and mesh counts for shirts (110-195).
Buy some glass, get a decent light exposure unit. Find a printer local to you who has large format printing on acitate (negatives) or buy ink jet transparencies and make them yourself.
The main thing is just start doing it! Stop planning. Get your hands dirty, you'll learn quick. |
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| badgoldfish |
| Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 4:06 pm |
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| i agree with skinny--just start doing it!!!, trial and error work as long as you learn from the mistakes--ryan |
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