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| eljer |
 Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:55 am |
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 let's make the thing clear with the most important: inks.
I'm tired of gathering little infos from all around this forum.
The inks that were advised there:
-2700 series from www.nazdar.com seems to be very good wtaer based ink according to many guys on this forum. But I can't order them because I'm not in the US.
-epoxy inks are said to be "super shiny" but I don't know what is epoxy exacly and where to order.
-enamel inks from nazdar, someone recommanded has them to on this forum. I've find something here that seems to be an imported enamel from nazdar. It's called enamel 2800, can anyone tell me if that correspond to the enamel from nazdar?
I've tried the basic vinylic inks that is normally used to print stickers, that's not very shiny but it works well... that would be ok for metalic inks, fluorescent inks, or special inks that are not availiable in the other categories of inks.
Image: Printing test with fluorescent vinylic ink for stickers called "platipure"
That's Ok for fuin but I'm searching the ink that will provide a result equal to industrial quality.
I'm going to order 2 types of ink, so I can test clearly wich is the best. I would like to give you the generic type of the inks writen below but I don't really know.
names depends on the supllier and what's inside is not very clear...
If anyone knows a web site with the list of ink types and chemical composition of inks used in the industry? I've looked at an old school book of my aoutnt who is renovating old paintings from the 18th century. There was a lot of inks and glue presented in it, with all the effects, security problem, chemical formula...
I think this kind of info would help a lot for screen printing.
Here are the inks I will try:
- enamel ink called gloss enamel 2800 (that semms to be the one from nazdar, please confirm me)
- cellulosic ink (solvent ink), very glossy suitable toys industry, it seems to be the right one.
There is also the type of surface we will print on, we have to know it to match the good ink.
the one on the deck I've bought was:
-1st time (santacruz blanks): urethane finish
- scd time (woodchuck decks): celulosic varnish (perhaps it is the same thing but I'd like to know!!!) |
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| skinny |
| Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 5:20 pm |
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| Ok I will try to help. I suggested the nazdar 2700 a while ago cause it acts like an enamel but is water washable. I have since gotten more practice with the stuff and here is what I found. I have to cut it with a base extender or a waterbased ink to print on wood or vinyl stickers. I have used it straight for t shirts and it works good there. I am not sure of its benifits if you already use enamel paints, what I mean is that if you use paints that arent water based then there might be a better product out there for you. I still use regular permenent acrylic ink for some stuff and it works good and it is inexpensive. As far as the laquer I suggest a product called profinish if you are sealing anything it is oil modified polyurethane and can be cut with paint thinner. They designed this stuff for gym floors in high schools so it lasts forever. |
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| axesect |
| Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 6:44 pm |
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| Yeah, I guess I'm not helping in saying what is best but...Ive used just gloss acrylic paint (it didnt say ink but im not sure if that means too much). It seems to do fine and stuff. So if you want the cheapest solution, It might be a little harder to deposit the right amount of it but if you do it right it always seems as good as other stuff. Im guessing thats mostly just cuz im still learning stuff. so yeah, maybe this will help people wanting to learn and not spend alot of money. Make sure its gloss though, the flat stuff isnt as nice. |
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| eljer |
| Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 3:43 am |
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thanks a lot. Yesterday evening I've printed stickers with oil based inks, and I can confirm you're right to use waterbased inks as often as possible. It's not a very healthy feeling before you go to bed.
I'll try to get some 2700 somewere and study your precious informations. As for the t-shirts I use only water based ink and it's very unexpensive and easy to use to. As for printing on paper, I'll forget solvent based oils as soon as possible beacause there seems to be really good ink solutions, and editing books implies very large quantity = very large printing surface = lungs full of solvents
about comics editing, have a look to these guys site, what they do is amazing: http://www.lederniercri.org/main.html
they use only water bases inks. |
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