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Should clips of Nazi-bands be allowed on SnB?
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| big.kahuna.burger |
 Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 6:30 am |
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so what is your problem with halal food?
the main difference between halal meat and non-halal meat is the method of slaughter. how does that really affect you? |
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| DaleF4F |
| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 7:14 am |
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big.kahuna.burger wrote: so what is your problem with halal food?
the main difference between halal meat and non-halal meat is the method of slaughter. how does that really affect you?
My first problem is principle. 2nd indeed the way of slaughtering witch is even a bigger problem to me than principle in this matter.
And I'll already reply on that before I get the stuff that some slaughterhouses here are cruel too and use violence against harmless animals. Well they should be all closed instantly if it depends on me and those people punished severly. Animal abuse is one of the worst things on this planet to me personaly. We try to eat as much vegetarian as we can and the meat we do eat always comes from a bio farm where the animal has lived a nice life and gets slaughtered sedated and in a decent and respectfull way.
If it would be me unsedated slaughtering of animals should be banned as it is a barabaric way to kill any living creature. |
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| sonicdan |
| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 8:35 am |
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big.kahuna.burger wrote: so what is your problem with halal food?
the main difference between halal meat and non-halal meat is the method of slaughter. how does that really affect you?
not even that.
the Koran doesn't specify whether the animal should be sedated or not (I doubt sedated killings were around when it was written some 1300 years ago…) - there are mainly hygienic restrictions and the need to recite a prayer. that's it.
true, some halal butchers refuse a sedating of the animal - but that only concerns a part of the phenomena and cannot be subject to generalisation. You may say those few halal butchers are acting wrong - that's fine with me. But then again, as Dale already pointed out - there's much suffering in meat production anyway - I don't think Europeans (or any human in general) can pretend to produce meat without animal cruelty…
here's an interesting article on the 'HALAL OUTRAGE' in Britain…
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisf...-ritual-slaughter |
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| slob-air |
| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 10:20 am |
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| DaleF4F |
| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 3:11 pm |
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Ok, all good. Was just replying on Dave's question giving my opinion and reasons.
No need to discuss this further as we indeed did this before. |
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| Scotty T |
| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 6:54 pm |
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My neighbour two doors down is Belgian and he went home to visit recently. His views are different to yours on the situation and he is worried more about the nationalists and the home grown extremists who, just like here don't represent the wider Muslim community.
To me saying no we won't give you an option of speaking your native language because it's not the one most of us speak is like saying no we won't give you skateparks because we mostly play football. |
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| DaleF4F |
| Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 4:31 am |
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Scotty T wrote: My neighbour two doors down is Belgian and he went home to visit recently. His views are different to yours on the situation and he is worried more about the nationalists and the home grown extremists who, just like here don't represent the wider Muslim community.
Bringing a visit to a country you used to live is not the same as living there. Maybe he should try again and compare to how it was used to be.
But off course that could be his view anyway. Everyone has his own idea's and views on things. Even one of my best friends is a sharp skin and we already have had lots of discussions about this.
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To me saying no we won't give you an option of speaking your native language because it's not the one most of us speak is like saying no we won't give you skateparks because we mostly play football.
I never said that they are not allowed to speak their own languange amongst each other. What do I care what they do in private. But they must learn to speak the language of the local people for proper immigration. That's my point. I do care about messages, signs, used in public places such as townhalls, theatre's, ..... And I do care when they're in company of me and they start speaking Arab against each other because I have no clue what they're talking about. My Turkish friend will never speak Turkish to his friends when I'm there cause he knows it's just not polite to do. And yes they can all speak Dutch. The way it should be. Can you imagine how my wife feels at school when she has two parents sitting in front of here constantly speaking Arab to each other? And I'm mentioning Arab now but could be Turkish, Russian, whatever language. It doesn't give you a good feeling at all. |
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| mosu101 |
| Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 7:32 am |
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big.kahuna.burger wrote: so what is your problem with halal food?
the main difference between halal meat and non-halal meat is the method of slaughter. how does that really affect you?
I got 2 problems with that...
1) what does religion have to do with "humane" slaughter of animals for human consumption?
2) I bought a burger with the lot at a place in Maroubra run by individuals who unknown to myself (at the time) only serve Halal.
the Burger with the lot was wrtiten on the menu board as having bacon.
After my first bite I was disappointed by the bacon which I found out was some sort of soy based concoction. Returned to the store and complained so they pointed to some notice about Halal. The notice wasnt easily seen or read from standing at the counter.
So I complained and asked for my money back. At which point a few of the store keepers family started waving large carving knives.
I never went back and the place has since gone bankrupt and moved to another store holder.
Having said my piece on that issue i do particularly enjoy good Arabic food such as you might find in Cleveland Street and many other locations in Sydney. I just dont enjoy being conned when it comes to getting what I pay for. |
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| sonicdan |
| Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2016 6:29 am |
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mosu101 wrote:
1) what does religion have to do with "humane" slaughter of animals for human consumption?
slaughter of animals is a moral question. Religions are one possible source for ethics & morals. And to some, the only source of morals.
lots of traditional societies (with 'animist' religions, etc) have a moral code on how to handle animals - even when, to the outsider, this isn't visible and may even appear as 'cruel'.
of course, those rules should not be 'universal' in a somewhat 'modern', secular society. but there's no reason NOT to offer halal food to those who wish so. (yes, you may argue by pointing out 'animal cruelty' - which we already have debated, see slobs arguments and mine…) |
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| jbirk |
| Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 3:13 am |
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Remember when 7-8 page threads on SnB used to be fun to read?
Nazi songs can fuck off |
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